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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://ghsprincipal.edublogs.org/2007/01/22/cheating-or-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that the issue has been resolved, but I’d like to add one more comment to this post if I may.  “Hurt student” please read the entire post as I think it may teach you a thing or two.

First, let me tell you a story about when I was getting my Master’s Degree 4 years ago.  At the end of our program of study we had a choice of writing a thesis or taking what they called an “intensive examination.”  I hate research and have always been an ace test-taker, so of course I chose a 6+ hour exam rather than months of writing and rewriting.  We were allowed to choose our own exam day.  You simply showed up at the department office, picked up an envelope with the questions and a disk, and went on your way to take the exam wherever you felt most comfortable.  The disk full of essays was due back by 5pm.  My best friend and I decided to take the exam on the same day.  We picked up our envelopes, went to a nearby computer lab, sat at opposite ends of the room, and got to work.  We IM’d each other at lunch time, took a break to eat, and then got back to the exam.  

Here is where I feel this story is relevant.  I COULD have worked with my best friend.  I COULD have used a year and a half worth of notes to help me.  I COULD have looked up answers on the internet.  I COULD have taken the disk home and worked on my own computer.  No one was watching us.  But I didn’t do any of these things.  Why not?  Because that’s not me.  That would have gone against my own personal values.  This test was a test of my knowledge, what I had learned over the course of the program.  It wasn’t a test to see if I could find the answers in my notebook or on the internet.  Sure, some people probably did.  And you know what?  That’s really none of my business.  I don’t care what they did, because I know I prepared for this exam by showing up to class every day even when it was a summer course and it was 90 degrees and my friends were going out on someone’s boat.  I went to class from 7-10 pm after a whole day of student teaching at some inner-city middle school.  I studied the guide we were given over and over again.  I got a good night’s sleep the night before.  I did what I could do to get the best grade I could earn.  In the end I was responsible for my failure or success and nobody else.  

So, yes your midterm exam was flawed.  The administration of it was not what I would have done in my own classroom.  Some people used outside resources.  Your teacher is not perfect.  Life is not fair.  But did you do the best that you could do, and do you feel good about the way that you took your exam?  That’s what matters.  In a few months you will leave this little G-Town bubble and have to make it in the “real world” where no one cares if you don’t think something is fair.  There will always be some people who find a flaw in the system and exploit it for their own gain.  If you spend your life worrying and complaining about what the person next to you is doing, you’re going to be pretty miserable.  All you can do is your best and what feels right to you.  So think about it.  Stop worrying about what someone else did and take charge of your own grade and your own success.  You will have the satisfaction of knowing that you relied on your own hard work and that you really earned the grade that you achieved and that’s what really matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that the issue has been resolved, but I’d like to add one more comment to this post if I may.  “Hurt student” please read the entire post as I think it may teach you a thing or two.</p>
<p>First, let me tell you a story about when I was getting my Master’s Degree 4 years ago.  At the end of our program of study we had a choice of writing a thesis or taking what they called an “intensive examination.”  I hate research and have always been an ace test-taker, so of course I chose a 6+ hour exam rather than months of writing and rewriting.  We were allowed to choose our own exam day.  You simply showed up at the department office, picked up an envelope with the questions and a disk, and went on your way to take the exam wherever you felt most comfortable.  The disk full of essays was due back by 5pm.  My best friend and I decided to take the exam on the same day.  We picked up our envelopes, went to a nearby computer lab, sat at opposite ends of the room, and got to work.  We IM’d each other at lunch time, took a break to eat, and then got back to the exam.  </p>
<p>Here is where I feel this story is relevant.  I COULD have worked with my best friend.  I COULD have used a year and a half worth of notes to help me.  I COULD have looked up answers on the internet.  I COULD have taken the disk home and worked on my own computer.  No one was watching us.  But I didn’t do any of these things.  Why not?  Because that’s not me.  That would have gone against my own personal values.  This test was a test of my knowledge, what I had learned over the course of the program.  It wasn’t a test to see if I could find the answers in my notebook or on the internet.  Sure, some people probably did.  And you know what?  That’s really none of my business.  I don’t care what they did, because I know I prepared for this exam by showing up to class every day even when it was a summer course and it was 90 degrees and my friends were going out on someone’s boat.  I went to class from 7-10 pm after a whole day of student teaching at some inner-city middle school.  I studied the guide we were given over and over again.  I got a good night’s sleep the night before.  I did what I could do to get the best grade I could earn.  In the end I was responsible for my failure or success and nobody else.  </p>
<p>So, yes your midterm exam was flawed.  The administration of it was not what I would have done in my own classroom.  Some people used outside resources.  Your teacher is not perfect.  Life is not fair.  But did you do the best that you could do, and do you feel good about the way that you took your exam?  That’s what matters.  In a few months you will leave this little G-Town bubble and have to make it in the “real world” where no one cares if you don’t think something is fair.  There will always be some people who find a flaw in the system and exploit it for their own gain.  If you spend your life worrying and complaining about what the person next to you is doing, you’re going to be pretty miserable.  All you can do is your best and what feels right to you.  So think about it.  Stop worrying about what someone else did and take charge of your own grade and your own success.  You will have the satisfaction of knowing that you relied on your own hard work and that you really earned the grade that you achieved and that’s what really matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
		<link>http://ghsprincipal.edublogs.org/2007/01/22/cheating-or-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1805</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has certainly generated a lot of conversation and much has been learned since the original post. One point of clarification is that the administration of the test included our students seeing the entire test on a Thursday and then coming back to it on a Friday. Not the best practice, so after MUCH CONSIDERATION and CONVERSATION, we are deeming this test invalid. Based on the invalidity of the administration of this test, our students are able to retest with a new mid-term exam or to keep the second quarter grade without the mid-term test figured in. All grades on this administration of the mid-term are considered invalid. Averages for the course will be recalculated after the retest and new report cards will be issued for all Physics students. We will wait to issue our greatly anticipated &quot;top ten&quot; class rank letters until all recalcs are done. Thank you to everyone who added to the conversation as this post will auto-close to comments after 21 days, as all posts on this blog do, sometime this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has certainly generated a lot of conversation and much has been learned since the original post. One point of clarification is that the administration of the test included our students seeing the entire test on a Thursday and then coming back to it on a Friday. Not the best practice, so after MUCH CONSIDERATION and CONVERSATION, we are deeming this test invalid. Based on the invalidity of the administration of this test, our students are able to retest with a new mid-term exam or to keep the second quarter grade without the mid-term test figured in. All grades on this administration of the mid-term are considered invalid. Averages for the course will be recalculated after the retest and new report cards will be issued for all Physics students. We will wait to issue our greatly anticipated &#8220;top ten&#8221; class rank letters until all recalcs are done. Thank you to everyone who added to the conversation as this post will auto-close to comments after 21 days, as all posts on this blog do, sometime this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: another student</title>
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		<dc:creator>another student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok maybe thats why it all started but now that the teacher gave everyone a curve from the second highest grade(which i don&#039;t think he should have) why is everyone still talking about it and being so upset about it? Everyone got 11 pts added onto there original grade which is a lot. I still don&#039;t think she cheated, but they still got extra pts, so it should be over and dropped right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok maybe thats why it all started but now that the teacher gave everyone a curve from the second highest grade(which i don&#8217;t think he should have) why is everyone still talking about it and being so upset about it? Everyone got 11 pts added onto there original grade which is a lot. I still don&#8217;t think she cheated, but they still got extra pts, so it should be over and dropped right?</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
		<link>http://ghsprincipal.edublogs.org/2007/01/22/cheating-or-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to clarify my first blog, in the first point I made, I referenced the fact that the 100% ruined the curve that had been intended for the test. This fact, whether you&#039;d like to admit it or not, is what really fueled the fire to start calling &quot;cheater&quot; at the student with a perfect score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to clarify my first blog, in the first point I made, I referenced the fact that the 100% ruined the curve that had been intended for the test. This fact, whether you&#8217;d like to admit it or not, is what really fueled the fire to start calling &#8220;cheater&#8221; at the student with a perfect score.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://ghsprincipal.edublogs.org/2007/01/22/cheating-or-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, the test was a “nothing but your pencil and reference table test.” No other students had aides in answering the questions.&quot; 

Like our physics teacher said, according to the document we weren&#039;t supposed to have any information about the test before hand; but everyone signed it and like he said, he herd every student talking about it the second we walked out the door. Everyone was saying oh what did you get for number whatever and what did you get for this question. Everyone cheated according to the document that they signed. So everybody had &quot;aides&quot; to the test they had each other&#039;s (classmates) help. I still do not Alex cheated she used her resources and like i said before she knew how to do everyone of those questions and she always asked for help outside of class on things she did not understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, the test was a “nothing but your pencil and reference table test.” No other students had aides in answering the questions.&#8221; </p>
<p>Like our physics teacher said, according to the document we weren&#8217;t supposed to have any information about the test before hand; but everyone signed it and like he said, he herd every student talking about it the second we walked out the door. Everyone was saying oh what did you get for number whatever and what did you get for this question. Everyone cheated according to the document that they signed. So everybody had &#8220;aides&#8221; to the test they had each other&#8217;s (classmates) help. I still do not Alex cheated she used her resources and like i said before she knew how to do everyone of those questions and she always asked for help outside of class on things she did not understand.</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
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		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To start off, I would like everyone to know that I am a student at Gowanda High School that is not currently in the Physics class that is currently in the midst of a testing conflict. I do believe that there are a couple of points that people seem to be overlooking:

1.) A curved grade is not a right, it is up to the teacher to decide whether or not they choose to GIVE FREE POINTS to their students. If one student was able to score a 100% on a test by means that broke no rules and are readily available to everyone, then why did not all the students score as well? In an advanced course such as Physics, it is not due to lack of ability.

2.) The teacher has the responsibility to compile the test. Not to steal a test, but to pick and choose questions that will challenge all the students of the class, especially those that have proven that they are willing to commit the hours of study required. It should be known that I have a great deal of respect for the teacher in question, but I do not agree with how he chose to go about creating or administering the midterm. As I have stated, it should not have been a direct Regents, but a mixture of questions from the past several exams. Also, to have both portions of the exam available on both days, therefore giving the students a chance to study the material they know is on the test, is leaving the door to cheating wide open. These two facts coupled together make for a situation extremely vulnerable to questionable results.

I hope I introduced a couple ideas that will make this situation go away so you guys can get on with enjoying your senior year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To start off, I would like everyone to know that I am a student at Gowanda High School that is not currently in the Physics class that is currently in the midst of a testing conflict. I do believe that there are a couple of points that people seem to be overlooking:</p>
<p>1.) A curved grade is not a right, it is up to the teacher to decide whether or not they choose to GIVE FREE POINTS to their students. If one student was able to score a 100% on a test by means that broke no rules and are readily available to everyone, then why did not all the students score as well? In an advanced course such as Physics, it is not due to lack of ability.</p>
<p>2.) The teacher has the responsibility to compile the test. Not to steal a test, but to pick and choose questions that will challenge all the students of the class, especially those that have proven that they are willing to commit the hours of study required. It should be known that I have a great deal of respect for the teacher in question, but I do not agree with how he chose to go about creating or administering the midterm. As I have stated, it should not have been a direct Regents, but a mixture of questions from the past several exams. Also, to have both portions of the exam available on both days, therefore giving the students a chance to study the material they know is on the test, is leaving the door to cheating wide open. These two facts coupled together make for a situation extremely vulnerable to questionable results.</p>
<p>I hope I introduced a couple ideas that will make this situation go away so you guys can get on with enjoying your senior year.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://ghsprincipal.edublogs.org/2007/01/22/cheating-or-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all of this is crazy. This has been going on for long enough and I think it just needs too be dropped. Jess, you said that you haven&#039;t brought it up again...Yet you keep bringing it up over and over again and certainly won&#039;t let me forget it. I have feelings too! The fact that all of this is going on and I have people constantly talking about me beind my back it hurts. Especially coming from someone who I valued as a friend. Hearing about this every single day and being called a cheater numerous times by numerous people is tiring and no matter how hard I try to not let it get to me it does! I know that you feel what you did was right, however I feel that what I did was perfectly acceptable as well. I did not cheat, bottom line. I used to resources...And I understood how to do every problem on that exam. I didn&#039;t just memorize the answers. I have all the work done on my test if you really want to see it. I don&#039;t really know what else you want me to say or what you want to be done. I just wish you would drop it already...We agree to disagree, end of story. But please, don&#039;t continue making my life a living hell for the next 5 months. I don&#039;t want to keep hearing about it and about what YOU think should be done. Its over and done with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all of this is crazy. This has been going on for long enough and I think it just needs too be dropped. Jess, you said that you haven&#8217;t brought it up again&#8230;Yet you keep bringing it up over and over again and certainly won&#8217;t let me forget it. I have feelings too! The fact that all of this is going on and I have people constantly talking about me beind my back it hurts. Especially coming from someone who I valued as a friend. Hearing about this every single day and being called a cheater numerous times by numerous people is tiring and no matter how hard I try to not let it get to me it does! I know that you feel what you did was right, however I feel that what I did was perfectly acceptable as well. I did not cheat, bottom line. I used to resources&#8230;And I understood how to do every problem on that exam. I didn&#8217;t just memorize the answers. I have all the work done on my test if you really want to see it. I don&#8217;t really know what else you want me to say or what you want to be done. I just wish you would drop it already&#8230;We agree to disagree, end of story. But please, don&#8217;t continue making my life a living hell for the next 5 months. I don&#8217;t want to keep hearing about it and about what YOU think should be done. Its over and done with!</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all i think this has been going on way to long!! This student that used her resources to do good on the exam passed becuase she knows how to do everyone of these problems. Like before stated, you need to show all your work on parts II, III, and IV. There is no way that she could have gotten 100 on this exam if she did not know what she was doing even if she had the answers. She did not take the answers to the exam, she did not memorize the answers, like i said before she knew how to do every one of those problems. Just because you (any physics student) aren&#039;t the one who got tho 100 you don&#039;t need to be angry with her. When she did not understand how to do a problem or didn&#039;t understand a part of the material that we talked about in class, she went and talked to the teacher and found out how to do it. I think this whole thing needs to be dropped and people need to leave her alone. This is in no way going to affect the class rank either. it is 20% of a semester or a quarter grade it is not going to boost her grade up enough to make her Valedictorian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all i think this has been going on way to long!! This student that used her resources to do good on the exam passed becuase she knows how to do everyone of these problems. Like before stated, you need to show all your work on parts II, III, and IV. There is no way that she could have gotten 100 on this exam if she did not know what she was doing even if she had the answers. She did not take the answers to the exam, she did not memorize the answers, like i said before she knew how to do every one of those problems. Just because you (any physics student) aren&#8217;t the one who got tho 100 you don&#8217;t need to be angry with her. When she did not understand how to do a problem or didn&#8217;t understand a part of the material that we talked about in class, she went and talked to the teacher and found out how to do it. I think this whole thing needs to be dropped and people need to leave her alone. This is in no way going to affect the class rank either. it is 20% of a semester or a quarter grade it is not going to boost her grade up enough to make her Valedictorian.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess,

While I support the discourse happening here, and I understand that everyone who comments isn&#039;t going to agree with me, and I think I can learn from a good disagreement, I take exception to the repeated comments left by you that question my integrity. I have also refrained from arguing with you on this blog, as I believe it requires a face to face conversation which will take place tomorrow in class. However, I did not ask you &quot;not to mention this again&quot;, I asked you all not to talk about it until I had a chance to investigate further, to talk to the other parties. I have spent a considerable amount of time listening to YOU personally, because I value you and what you have to say. I have told you that I understand your point of view,and in a follow up conversation that I disagree with you, that I don&#039;t see this as cheating. I&#039;ve answered you, you just haven&#039;t liked my answer. I haven&#039;t lied to you and I&#039;m not sure what you think I promised you. Originally, your teacher planned to retest the student. Upon further investigation and extensive conversation, we decided not to do that and he curved the test from the next highest grade.

It&#039;s not that I haven&#039;t followed through, I&#039;ve spent considerable time discussing the issue with you, the teacher, the department leader, the guidance director, the other student, the superintendent, and any other student who&#039;s wanted to discuss it. I make mistakes like the next person, but I do listen, follow through, and make decisions that are as fair as possible to EVERYONE. I have continued to respect you and all of our students throughout this. I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;ve now made this about me. It seems you didn&#039;t hear half of our conversation. 

Again, we&#039;ll discuss it tomorrow. This is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess,</p>
<p>While I support the discourse happening here, and I understand that everyone who comments isn&#8217;t going to agree with me, and I think I can learn from a good disagreement, I take exception to the repeated comments left by you that question my integrity. I have also refrained from arguing with you on this blog, as I believe it requires a face to face conversation which will take place tomorrow in class. However, I did not ask you &#8220;not to mention this again&#8221;, I asked you all not to talk about it until I had a chance to investigate further, to talk to the other parties. I have spent a considerable amount of time listening to YOU personally, because I value you and what you have to say. I have told you that I understand your point of view,and in a follow up conversation that I disagree with you, that I don&#8217;t see this as cheating. I&#8217;ve answered you, you just haven&#8217;t liked my answer. I haven&#8217;t lied to you and I&#8217;m not sure what you think I promised you. Originally, your teacher planned to retest the student. Upon further investigation and extensive conversation, we decided not to do that and he curved the test from the next highest grade.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I haven&#8217;t followed through, I&#8217;ve spent considerable time discussing the issue with you, the teacher, the department leader, the guidance director, the other student, the superintendent, and any other student who&#8217;s wanted to discuss it. I make mistakes like the next person, but I do listen, follow through, and make decisions that are as fair as possible to EVERYONE. I have continued to respect you and all of our students throughout this. I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;ve now made this about me. It seems you didn&#8217;t hear half of our conversation. </p>
<p>Again, we&#8217;ll discuss it tomorrow. This is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was in no way an open book test. First off, it was a mid-term, in a Regents class. Secondly, an open book test would imply that every student was allowed to use their class notes and, sure the exact answers. However, the test was a &quot;nothing but your pencil and reference table test.&quot; No other students had aides in answering the questions.


Being the student that went to Mrs. Moritz, I would agree that this has gone on way too long. The day that I went to the office, with other students to back me up, I was asked not to mention it again. Up until now, I have done what was asked of me. What you all need to realize, is that I was promised a specific solution. This was not follwed through. This has become an issue, not of the student who used the answer key, but of the words that were said and not meant.

Now that you know my point of view, I ask IF YOU WERE IN THE CLASS, how would you feel? What would you do?

Myself and a small group of students did what we felt was right and I stick by my actions. If this happened again today, even knowing that this would happen, I would do the sme thing I did before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was in no way an open book test. First off, it was a mid-term, in a Regents class. Secondly, an open book test would imply that every student was allowed to use their class notes and, sure the exact answers. However, the test was a &#8220;nothing but your pencil and reference table test.&#8221; No other students had aides in answering the questions.</p>
<p>Being the student that went to Mrs. Moritz, I would agree that this has gone on way too long. The day that I went to the office, with other students to back me up, I was asked not to mention it again. Up until now, I have done what was asked of me. What you all need to realize, is that I was promised a specific solution. This was not follwed through. This has become an issue, not of the student who used the answer key, but of the words that were said and not meant.</p>
<p>Now that you know my point of view, I ask IF YOU WERE IN THE CLASS, how would you feel? What would you do?</p>
<p>Myself and a small group of students did what we felt was right and I stick by my actions. If this happened again today, even knowing that this would happen, I would do the sme thing I did before.</p>
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